Confederate Flag Controversy At An Auburn Cemetery

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On Monday the State of Alabama will celebrate Confederate Memorial Day.  It’s a time when many will honor southern soldiers who fought
in the civil war. But not everyone is happy about the holiday. There’s a new controversy over the Confederate flag and it’s causing some tension at an Auburn cemetery. One side sees them as a symbol of history, while some others see it as a symbol of racism. Thursday morning, a group known as the Daughters of the Confederacy placed dozens of confederate flags on graves at the Pine Hill Cemetery.  it’s in Auburn on city property. City Councilman Arthur Dowdell says the flags are offensive and have no place in a cemetery. “I think we have to wake up and see that we’re one nation under God with one flag and that’s the United States of America flag” Dowdell said. Several black residents told him the flags were there and that it bothered them, so Dowdell immediately removed four of the flags. Beverly Webster is a member of the Daughters of the Confederacy. She says this is all about history. “I all I am thinking about this is that I’m honoring
my fore fathers who fought for our country and that’s what this is about. This is not a racist issue for us” Webster said. But Councilman Arthur Dowdell disagrees. “I believe that when Blacks come to this cemetery and see confederate flags, they don’t think about commemoration. They think about racism and the the KKK” Dowdell said. He wants the city to pass a resolution in the future that would prevent people from putting up confederate flags in public places in Auburn. Dowdell says if people want to commemorate history, they should do it on their own private property.

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Flag Comment Posted by Gypsy5 on April 25, 2009 at 1:27 pm

This is my last post on this subject so I would like to do an analogy of my historical origins. It will explain the Gypsy5 name.

My father fought in WWII along side the English, Polish, French etc. After the war he came home a fell in love with a beautiful Girl whose mother was German, father was indian and English. Should he have hated his mother in law? NO! He loved her she was fantastic.

My fathers, father was Irish and cherokee. his mother was English, Irish.
My Mothers mother was German Gypsy, her father was Cherokee,English.
my childrens father was Blackfoot indian and German.
OH YES! one of my great uncles had a touch of African American in him.
My late sister in law was the most wonderful black woman on the face of this earth and my adored friend. I really miss her.
Now I don’t always agree with my children but I don’t think I can hate them because:
Germans hate Americans, Indians hate white people, The English and Irish were at war with each other and everyone hated Gypsies because they were considered thieve, which might have been true in the old west.
As for the last part i am very honest and never raised a thief.
Even the Arians and KKK are decendents from races they claim to hate. What is up with that!

I guess I will stop now. I have to go out in the back yard and shoot,stab, hang, torture, blow up and scalp myself because my DNA is at war and the past is winning.

Flag Comment Posted by Jay on April 25, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Yes, skinheads have the right to use the swastika, as detestable as they are. Slavery was detestable. It was NOT a proud moment in our history. The truth is the Civil War was not just about slavery. It was about states rights. Slavery was a major point in that, but not the only point. But, history is being re-written and the original arguments that led to the Civil War are being covered-up.

Again, you CANNOT take away another person’s freedom of speech just because you are offended by it. What kind of person does that make you when you force your opinion on someone else? This is an issue that is coming to a head in America. Some people are offended by Christianity, so Christianity is not allowed to be discussed in many places today. Miss California answers a question about her beliefs on gay marriage and suddenly she is villified by the homosexual community and loses the competition. Christian churches are under attack and Christian books in libraries are being peed on by someone who disagrees or is offended by Christian beliefs. But no one wants to criticize the Muslim religions who hold much stricter views on the same subjects. Freedom of speech is under attack in America today. And, as detestable as some of the groups I’ve mention are and as vehemently as I disagree with their opinions, they have a right to say them. They have a right to their beliefs.

I do not understand many of the people who are still living the Civil War. I know they are proud of their heritage. My wife is a music teacher. She was teaching a unit on songs from early America. She asked her children to sing the “Battle Hymn of the Republic.“ Two of the children refused to sing it because their parents were into the Confederate thing. They fly a Conferderate flag and have a statue of a Confederate soldier in their front yard. But, my wife also had the class sing “Dixie” since it was a song of the South. She asked the little girls to participate in class and sing the “Battle Hymn” like the rest of the children were doing. My wife gets an angry phone call at home on a Sunday from the father because she wanted his little girl to participate with the rest of the class singing the song that he had taught her was a symbol of the Republic and was offensive to him. As offended as I have been all these years that this angry father would call my house and yell at my wife for teaching a music lesson that included both of those songs, the man has a right to his opinion.

I am white. But, my paternal grandmother’s last name was Freeman. She had a grandfather that was the result of an affair between a plantation owner’s son and a house slave. So, the resulting son was a free man in North Carolina. He was my ancestor. My father has darker skin and very coarse hair, even all these generations later. I detest slavery and what my grandmother probably experienced at the hands of her owners in North Carolina. But, I also have many other sad stories from the Irish side of my family. Many of them were persecuted and hung because they were poor Irish. I have a great, great grandmother on my dad’s side that was a Creek Indian who married one of the Irish ancestors. They were treated horribly. People shot many of them in feuds. The trail of tears is a horrible time in history, but it is a time of history and it is remembered by people who descended from the Indians who were marched across the country and their lands taken away.

So, even though I didn’t grow up black, I do understand my history. I didn’t have any ancestors who faught in the Civil War. They lived in the “Free State of Winston,“ which was an Alabama county that declared independence from Alabama during the war and became neutral in the war. But, I’m proud of my heritage and talk about it often.

The people who had ancestors who died in the Civil War did not fight in the war themselves. They had ancestors who died horrible deaths for what they believed in. They suffered. They died, and they deserve to be remembered. Anyone who would take that right away from the descendants of those who died in the Civil War are not Americans. They do not understand the freedoms that many have fought and died for. This whole debate makes me very sad. I’m sorry that the Confederate flag is offensive to some. But, you should not force your beliefs on others just because you are offended by it.

Flag Comment Posted by Gypsy5 on April 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm

This is just my opinion,no other person has to agree.
A flag is a part of a belief system just as a religion is a belief system.
The way a person lives is a belief system. They believe it enriches their lives.
Beliefs are choices and decisions we make for ourselves or groups.Beliefs are not part of our DNA at birth. Beliefs change or adapt to the circumstances of life.
i believe a Great Creator such as God in Heaven would not have given his greatest creation (Humans) the ability to think and learn, to make decisions and come to conclusions if he wanted One World with one train of thaught and no ability to think outside of one belief system or design. One single programed robotical creature could have served this purpose. Why would God have created everyone differently.
Our individuality is what makes humans a superior race.
What we do with or how we act upon our beliefs is what makes or breaks this world.
The very nations we are in battle with could be an example.
There are different culture for different reasons and no one knows that reason but our creator. With each culture comes different beliefs.
The things that happened to our ancesters were a part of that time and a stepping stone to a better future for the ones who came along later. Unleass we have actually felt that whip or lived that life it is a thing of the past.
honor our dead because they were a part of our future. Don’t feel oppressed for something you or I have not personally experienced.
If a nations flag has swastikas on it. It is their flag. As long as the belief behind those flags aren’t personally injuring you physicall or depriving you and your loved ones of food, shelter or life. Then it has done no harme. To look upon a flag does not harm anyone, not even emotionally.
When we stop trying to change everyone else and start learning how to put all our beliefs to work for our world we might actually have a world worth saving.

Flag Comment Posted by Ernest on April 25, 2009 at 11:12 am

“"Controversy”“

Why isn’t that with most blacks it is all about them? Ever consider how the people and relatives who’s graves you desecrated feel?

I wonder if Mr “"we’re one nation under God”“ means that he will now advocate for the disbanding of all race hate groups like the NAACP, the Black caucus et al?? Or is he just another one way hypocrite?

Flag Comment Posted by gamudpuppy on April 25, 2009 at 10:29 am

So I guess it’s OK if the German people
people decide to put German Swastika
flags on all their people’s graves. A lot of them probably fought in WWll.

Flag Comment Posted by AULysa on April 25, 2009 at 12:01 am

The UDC does have the right to place th flags where they want in the cemetery because as the Mayor of Auburn pointed out it is deeded property. Meaning private. The descendants of these people have the right to put whatever they want on their own private property. They city is only responsible for the upkeep and any maitnenence work that has to be done.

Flag Comment Posted by Gypsy5 on April 24, 2009 at 11:59 pm

I can’t understand why people (all people) choose the most petty things to cause a problem over. Our country is truggling to avoid a economic desaster that could rival the depression of the thirties and this is what folks are upset over! A confederate flag.
This flag is a memorial of a time when the nation split and fought each other for the right for all people to be free. People of all colors fought in that war. Would their be a problem if all the flags of the civil war were flown, The Union, The Confederate and the Flag of the United State?
Perhaps their should be a flag to represent the free slaves to be flown along side of the other flags. I would like to see a flag for the thousands of Native Americans. You know, the original slaves, the ones who once owned every grain of sand in this intire nation.
Has everyone forgotton that race of people. They were slaughtered by the thousands and their country taken from them long before the first slave set foot upon this land.
Come on people! Wouldn’t our energies be put to better use trying to help each other rather than to cause problems over an Honorable Celebration for deceased soldiers.
Every race in this country has their special beliefs and holidays, celebration, some more than others and noone should have the right too try to destroy that races rights.
And for the record. We have a wonderful President who is honest, smart and fighting great opposition to bring our country back for all of its citizens. Lets not try not to make his job any harder. Rally Together, One For All & All For One!

Flag Comment Posted by Jay on April 24, 2009 at 11:23 pm

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Why do people who want to remember those who died in the Civil War not have the right to express their opinions? Sometimes our opinions differ. Sometimes different opinions get heated. But, both sides need to understand that we all have a right to our opinion and no one has the right to take that away from us, whether they are offended or not. I am greatly offended by the KKK. I am greatly offended by those who support abortion. I am greatly offended by vulgar language. But, at this point in history, people who hold those views are allowed to express them publicly. I find it detestable that a city councilman wants to take away the rights of some individuals just because they disagree and are offended. I also find it slightly sad that we have a city councilman who does not speak clear English and cannot articulate his opinions without showing anger.

Flag Comment Posted by j2006n on April 24, 2009 at 9:24 pm

I’m surprised this Dowdell guy isn’t saying that the civil war didn’t exist, like Ahmadinejad in Iran say’s about the holocaust.  I guess what he was saying was that the civil war was fought on private property.

Flag Comment Posted by FergitHell on April 24, 2009 at 8:50 pm

Quote from article: “Dowdell says if people want to commemorate history, they should do it on their own private property.“

Okay fine. Let’s remember this sage wisdom the next time someone wants a statue of MLK to go up on public property. Or a road named after him.

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